Is Yugioh truely based on luck...?

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Is Yugioh truely based on luck...?

Post  LittleEagle on 2012-01-24, 11:07

It's a question I've asked a million times.
Been told yes by half a million people, been told no by the other half.
We look at decks like Plants that are practically all 1-ofs.
We get annoyed over the "luck-sack opening hands" and "topdecking the win/perfect out"...

And while the certain game winning top-deck is most definitely 100% luck...is it?

I used to call Yugioh a game of luck, but really it's a game of Probabilities. The reasons the same decks keep winning is more consistency than luck.
Take Plants for example. They seem like they should be entirely about luck with all the single cards, but in fact that's the opposite. Most of the deck works together in almost any combination. There are very few combinations of single cards that is a bad hand or that you have to wait to use, most of the bad hands come from duplicates. The synergy of the decks seems like luck, but the probability of drawing a good hand or playing into one is actually quite high.

Also, with what I said above there is another important (yet different) factor to consider: certain people are consistently in the top 32 of big events.
This makes the idea of "the decks are all luck, it's the luckiest ones that win" less valid because of the number of times they show up. It doesn't remove it entirely, however.

Lastly, I want you all to look at your decks and the best decks. Notice the ratios and (if you want) calculate the probabilities. Math majors will love this assignment. Razz

Soooo...thoughts?
-Eagle
(P.S. - In all reality, "luck" as we know it does not exist. What we call "luck" is actually probability, just usually too complex for the average person to notice or want to look into. That's probably why the magical "luck" came into play. Coincidence + superstition + ignorance...probably. Razz)

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Re: Is Yugioh truely based on luck...?

Post  Ultimate lol on 2012-01-24, 11:15

Yu-Gi-Oh is a game of odds. You can improve those odds with a better build deck and a better play style but in the end all the probabilities are solid. Some people call getting the result of either side of the odds luck. For some it was just likely/unlikely to happen in the first place.
Odds also affect the Top 32. Mainly with numbers. If 80% of the players plays a deck it increases the odds that more will reach top 32.
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Re: Is Yugioh truely based on luck...?

Post  Kaiza on 2012-01-24, 14:15

we have a topic for this already to be honest

next time follow this little picture guide



anyway, yes, its luck based, but the way you make and use your deck determines how much better it goes
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Post  kangtuji on 2012-01-24, 14:21

While its true that may be similiar topic,
but necropost isn't allowed

And There is a thread locked already, and the mods telling to start new thread.

So why not starting new thread ?
But then again... I never understand DN mods logic
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Re: Is Yugioh truely based on luck...?

Post  Szadek on 2012-01-24, 14:46

Deck build 60%,Skill 20%,Luck 20%.
So luck helps a lot but can't save you when your deck is horrible.
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Post  nimmons on 2012-01-24, 17:07

I think Yugioh is not a game of luck or anything like that, but a game of deck building. You have to take time to tweak your deck until it runs as smooth as it needs to. Don't get me wrong you have to be smart about how you play and luck comes in every now and then but in my opinion there really isn't a whole lot you can do once you start that first game at a YCS or a regionals.
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Post  Wnyke on 2012-01-25, 22:05

I think like Szadek...

around 80% is the deck build/pilot skill
and 20% luck

with a good build you can make the strategy run... not forgetting tha your opponent has their own... whoever reads better in balanced matches wins...

about meta...
i think if the cards were cheaper there would be more variaty...
imagine spending a lot of money to see your strategy fail to another...

It´s better to DN... more different decks and cards are played ...
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Re: Is Yugioh truely based on luck...?

Post  minervx on 2012-01-25, 22:47

The numbers are dynamic and therefore the amount of luck in each situation varies.


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Re: Is Yugioh truely based on luck...?

Post  ptmemory on 2012-01-28, 20:13

tbh, think it this way.
A good deck require higher skills to play,
lower skills player doesn't matter what u do, u'll just lose.
Luck? yeh, if its like a best of 1 and u win probbly is luck
But if u play over 300duels and see ur result will u still call that luck?

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Post  Badass_Bunny on 2012-01-28, 21:08

Well to give you a short answer on is YGO based on luck answer is: Yes it is.

To give you a more in-dept explanation: Yes it is.
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Post  AhhGoodTimes on 2012-01-28, 23:51

The way I see it the better the deck builder one is the more likely one'll get "lucky" hands
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Post  Lovelace on 2012-01-29, 00:21

Aren't all card games based on luck?
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Re: Is Yugioh truely based on luck...?

Post  LittleEagle on 2012-01-31, 04:45

AhhGoodTimes wrote:The way I see it the better the deck builder one is the more likely one'll get "lucky" hands
That's because the deck would be more balanced and would have a higher probability of drawing said hand. Razz

In all seriousness, like I said before, a mathmatical genius could probably rape at this game if he had access to any card. It's all numbers, just too in depth for us to call it anything but "luck".

I had a friend who actually calculated the odds of drawing a certain card depending on how many were in deck and how many cards were in deck. Call it an educated guess, but he could sometimes predict his next draw (though it rarely happened). It would definitely help knowing which cards are most likely to come up next.
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Post  LittleEagle on 2012-01-31, 04:49

Lovelace wrote:Aren't all card games based on luck?
No. Poker is probably the "luckiest" game out there and it isn't actually about luck, it's about bluffing. You can win with a crap hand if you can bluff your opponent into folding their decent hand.

Solitaire is either a winnable game or not; after that you just have to play it right so you don't get stuck with the same repeating numbers.

If you're talking about TCGs, Pokemon is apparently all deck building skill & perhaps 1% luck...maybe. This coming from an older guy who was a poke-pro. Pokemon is all about the ratios of different cards and the trainers.
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Post  Monox D. I-Fly on 2012-01-31, 06:29

It isn't all lucks. It heavily depends on the synchronization of cards in the deck. When you have a good-built deck, even all draws can result in a combo with almost no bad draw at all.

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